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On the Res the Native Americans get the card and commodities that would put Blue Ribbon (that doesn’t sound right) boxes to shame. There is so much distrust of the Government that most of the commodities end up in the garbage. They don’t even feed the chicken and beef to the animals. Boxes of food will not work unless the people can choose what they want and what happens if the person does not have a refrigerator. Is the government going to buy refrigerators for everyone that needs one. Maybe they could offer the boxed food as an alternative but not total replacement. People will abuse all handouts from the government, it’s just a fact of life.

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On the Res ...There is so much distrust of the Government ...



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And with good reason; they've gotten shafted since the beginning.

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http://www.telegram.com/news/20160711/worcester-woman-behind-36m-food-stamp-fraud-gets-year-in-jail


And this is just one person. That's a boat load of money.

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Everyone has brought up great, valid points. I thought of this issue today, and IMO the #1 course of action should be to weed out all the illegals. That one thing would take a huge load off the system. Then #2 IMO should be to go after citizens who are illegally abusing the system, including workers within the system who (ab)use it for their own families/relatives/friends. This might be harder and time-consuming, but if they put serious action toward this, I do think a dent could be made in the situation.

I would like to see simultaneous action to help people who really need assistance (especially short-term, like people who have worked but are out due to injuries or sudden onset of illness, also long-term who struggle along month after month; especially the working poor), but for crazy bureaucratic reasons can't get it.

This applies to my friend and dh whom I mentioned here not long ago. He came home from work one day, became extremely ill that night, was out of work for exactly two months (thank God he is doing better, still has something called H pyelori -- sp? I don't know what that is, but maybe Minnie or martinbeef can say). They did get good news lately when they filed taxes -- because his income was so much lower (he was getting only 60% income while out of work) and they have a gc (an adopted dc) in college, they're getting a much-higher refund than usual. They plan to use that to pay hospital and doctor bills, hoping they can pay them off.

Anyway, they are buried under multiple doctor/hospital bills, meds costs (three for bp alone!), have struggled, having to pay utility bills w/credit card for example, they're rearing five gc, but they get no assistance at all (had a really hard Christmas) -- because of his age, the hospital was supposed to process medicare along with his work insurance, but that did not happen. Friends and relatives have helped them out, or they would be even worse off than they are. Did they get any assistance? No, but others who abuse the system get what could/should have helped them.

What oneshortmom said about people who pour into stores around the first of the month and buy and buy and buy with SNAP and welfare checks/cards, yet they are driving luxury cars, have luxury purses, the latest and greatest smart phones, wear luxury shoes/clothes -- YES, we've seen that sort of thing for years. Workers in grocery stores and especially WM have commented on it.

Someone mentioned multiple families in one home -- yes, that was what dh referred to, which I mentioned in my last post -- there is LOTS of that here, especially in immigrant latino families. Some are legal, many are not, some of the multiple-family homes are part legal, part illegal.

Re: "I don't know how they do it, but I have been behind shoppers in grocery store lines who paid for steak, ice cream, and potato chips/junk with SNAP cards more times than I care to remember. Dh's theory is that a number of adults in one household combine their cards to be able to 'afford' all that stuff."

It IS a real mess, but I truly believe that if #1 and #2 above were implemented, that could make a real difference.

As for the food allowed, I'd rather see them be able to get good decent food (like we got on WIC, for example) and also be able to buy basics like household cleansers, laundry detergent, soap, diapers for babies, etc. I'd much rather see them get basic household needs than steak and snack "food". With WIC there is a list of items people can buy. That should be true for SNAP and EBT too.

Eta a couple more comments: It is really sad and wasteful that native Americans would throw away food (especially meat) just because they are mad at the gov't. I wish they would instead give it to people, like the elderly or families with young dc, who might use it.

And about dh's boss' son I mentioned earlier: Dh and I ran into his boss and his wife when we all ate out this evening for Valentine's Day. The boss introduced me to his wife (a retired p/s teacher, wonderful woman). I asked them about their oldest son, and they said that he wants to work in the mines, but although the mines in that area in WV are partly back to work, there's not a job opening for him, so he is still driving big rigs. I did not know that he had begun doing that when the mines closed.

This post was edited on Feb 14, 2018 11:01 PM

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https://www.justice.gov/usao-ednc/pr/raleigh-convenient-store-owner-sentenced-78-months-food-stamp-fraud

The point is not about the true needs of people who don't commit fraud; the point is that money is being taken from those who do need.

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Oh, they're not mad, Gr8ful. They're frightened, nervous, untrusting, wary. They're really not well treated, even to this day.

Their whole history is one of being given Trojan horses, so you can see why they've reached a point where they don't believe in a free gift.

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M4J, I wonder if they all feel that way? The natives at Cherokee, NC, don't seem to. Then again, maybe they're not mad because they still get a kick out of the fact that the ones who are there, are there because their ancestors outsmarted the gov't wayyyyy back in the day, by hiding in caves when the others were rounded up for the trek to Oklahoma.

(Eta: And because the gov't built them a casino which seems to make bunches of money.)

That's a great link, cricket, and I hope the guy has to pay back every dime (I also hope they catch the guys in our state who do the illegal stuff I mentioned earlier). That's the sort of thing I was referring to in my #1 point.

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don't seem to

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Things are not always as they seem. :(

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